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<v speaker_0>The reality for a

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<v speaker_0>lot of people,

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<v speaker_0>regardless of where you

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<v speaker_0>were.

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<v speaker_0>Go.

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<v speaker_1>Ready?

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<v speaker_0>Mm-hmm.

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<v speaker_1>Okay. Well, we're recording,

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<v speaker_1>so how do

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<v speaker_1>you feel is the

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<v speaker_1>best way to

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<v speaker_1>dive into a subject

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<v speaker_1>like that?

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<v speaker_0>Um, I think that

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<v speaker_0>survival work in

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<v speaker_0>the '90s, especially if

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<v speaker_0>you were transitioning,

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<v speaker_0>was the only work

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<v speaker_0>available. Now, I

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<v speaker_0>think that when people

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<v speaker_0>talk about it,

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<v speaker_0>it-- they kind of

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<v speaker_0>immediately go towards,

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<v speaker_0>"Oh, you know, it

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<v speaker_0>was street

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<v speaker_0>walking or, or, you

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<v speaker_0>know, prostitution," and

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<v speaker_0>it was nothing like

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<v speaker_0>that, at least

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<v speaker_0>not for me. Uh,

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<v speaker_0>it was more

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<v speaker_0>of like, um,

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<v speaker_0>websites and, uh,

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<v speaker_0>photographers. You know, it

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<v speaker_0>was... You know,

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<v speaker_0>we were in demand.

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<v speaker_0>You know, everybody

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<v speaker_0>wanted to know about

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<v speaker_0>trans women. And

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<v speaker_0>I mean, I've always

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<v speaker_0>said this, that

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<v speaker_0>whatever money you get,

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<v speaker_0>it isn't about--

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<v speaker_0>For me, it was

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<v speaker_0>what I did

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<v speaker_0>with that. With that,

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<v speaker_0>uh, money, I

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<v speaker_0>was able to get

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<v speaker_0>my name changed

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<v speaker_0>legally. You know, I

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<v speaker_0>was able to

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<v speaker_0>help my grandmother pay

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<v speaker_0>rent. I was

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<v speaker_0>able to, you know,

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<v speaker_0>get a picket

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<v speaker_0>fence that she's always

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<v speaker_0>wanted, you know,

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<v speaker_0>a pagoda in her

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<v speaker_0>backyard. You know,

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<v speaker_0>it's what you do

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<v speaker_0>with your money.

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<v speaker_0>And like I said,

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<v speaker_0>at that particular

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<v speaker_0>time, nobody was hiring

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<v speaker_0>us, and we

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<v speaker_0>were in an in-between

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<v speaker_0>stage. You know,

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<v speaker_0>even though I did

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<v speaker_0>have my name

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<v speaker_0>changed legally, that didn't

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<v speaker_0>necessarily mean that

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<v speaker_0>these businesses were ready

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<v speaker_0>to hire me.

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<v speaker_0>Now, of course, after

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<v speaker_0>a few years

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<v speaker_0>on hormones, a few,

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<v speaker_0>you know, enhancements,

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<v speaker_0>a few surgeries, a

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<v speaker_0>few... Well, obviously

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<v speaker_0>a lot. But, you

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<v speaker_0>know, a-a-after you

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<v speaker_0>kind of get going,

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<v speaker_0>I did eventually

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<v speaker_0>start working. Uh, my

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<v speaker_0>first job was

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<v speaker_0>at Sally Beauty Supply,

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<v speaker_0>and I loved

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<v speaker_0>it. Um, but I

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<v speaker_0>did, uh, encounter

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<v speaker_0>some prejudice because when

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<v speaker_0>I was filling

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<v speaker_0>out my health insurance,

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<v speaker_0>you know, I

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<v speaker_0>was still putting that

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<v speaker_0>biologically I was

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<v speaker_0>still am, you know,

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<v speaker_0>and they didn't

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<v speaker_0>understand. And they assumed

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<v speaker_0>that because I

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<v speaker_0>had all my documentation

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<v speaker_0>with my name

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<v speaker_0>change and so forth,

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<v speaker_0>that I was

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<v speaker_0>female, and I wasn't,

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<v speaker_0>and then there--

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<v speaker_0>everything just kinda shifted

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<v speaker_0>after that. Because,

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<v speaker_0>you know, in that

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<v speaker_0>position, I would

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<v speaker_0>meet the UPS guys.

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<v speaker_0>I was, you

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<v speaker_0>know, like doing everything.

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<v speaker_0>And after that,

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<v speaker_0>they were like, "Okay,

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<v speaker_0>well, we need

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<v speaker_0>you in the back."

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<v speaker_0>You know, they

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<v speaker_0>just made my life

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<v speaker_0>very difficult to

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<v speaker_0>where, like, I just

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<v speaker_0>didn't wanna be

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<v speaker_0>there. So I ended

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<v speaker_0>up back into

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<v speaker_0>survival work. And like

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<v speaker_0>I said, you

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<v speaker_0>know, it was, um,

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<v speaker_0>it was never

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<v speaker_0>really sexual. It was

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<v speaker_0>really more about,

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<v speaker_0>like, posing and putting

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<v speaker_0>myself out there,

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<v speaker_0>uh, like I said,

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<v speaker_0>for websites, for,

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<v speaker_0>um, um,

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<v speaker_0>magazines and things like

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<v speaker_0>that. It was

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<v speaker_0>never me with anyone,

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<v speaker_0>but it was

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<v speaker_0>just me highlighting what

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<v speaker_0>I was. And

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<v speaker_0>of course, now I

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<v speaker_0>would never do

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<v speaker_0>that, and I would

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<v speaker_0>never have anybody

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<v speaker_0>do that. But at

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<v speaker_0>the time, it's

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<v speaker_0>what I had to

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<v speaker_0>do to survive.

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<v speaker_0>So... And like I

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<v speaker_0>said, I, I,

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<v speaker_0>I was able to,

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<v speaker_0>uh, you know,

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<v speaker_0>help get my name

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<v speaker_0>changed. I was

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<v speaker_0>able to, you know,

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<v speaker_0>help pay rent,

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<v speaker_0>survive, you know, compete,

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<v speaker_0>do stuff. And

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<v speaker_0>then I met somebody,

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<v speaker_0>and like I

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<v speaker_0>said, I was happy

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<v speaker_0>for a good

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<v speaker_0>four or five years,

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<v speaker_0>but then you

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<v speaker_0>just miss your tribe

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<v speaker_0>and where you're

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<v speaker_0>from. And, uh, I'm

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<v speaker_0>not ashamed of

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<v speaker_0>anything that I did

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<v speaker_0>because I never

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<v speaker_0>hurt anybody, you know,

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<v speaker_0>and I never

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<v speaker_0>did anything that I,

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<v speaker_0>you know, wasn't

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<v speaker_0>gonna probably do anyway,

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<v speaker_0>you know. But,

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<v speaker_0>um, I really

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<v speaker_0>wouldn't recommend it for

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<v speaker_0>some people. And

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<v speaker_0>for some people, it

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<v speaker_0>wasn't that glamorous.

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<v speaker_0>You know, it wasn't

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<v speaker_0>an opportunity to

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<v speaker_0>be on websites and,

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<v speaker_0>and be a

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<v speaker_0>model. It was, you

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<v speaker_0>know, you were

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<v speaker_0>out there. You were

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<v speaker_0>struggling. And along

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<v speaker_0>with all of that

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<v speaker_0>comes drugs, comes

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<v speaker_0>addiction, comes, you know,

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<v speaker_0>um, people

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<v speaker_0>hurting you. You know,

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<v speaker_0>you-- It's, it's

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<v speaker_0>tough. So I, like

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<v speaker_0>I said, I've

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<v speaker_0>been very lucky. I've

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<v speaker_0>been very lucky

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<v speaker_0>because I've always been

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<v speaker_0>very in control

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<v speaker_0>of what I do,

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<v speaker_0>and I've always

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<v speaker_0>been very mindful because

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<v speaker_0>I was raised

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<v speaker_0>by a very religious

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<v speaker_0>woman who told

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<v speaker_0>me, "If as long

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<v speaker_0>as you have

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<v speaker_0>respect for yourself, you

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<v speaker_0>know, then you're

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<v speaker_0>gonna be okay, whatever

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<v speaker_0>it is you

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<v speaker_0>do." So I always

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<v speaker_0>kept that in

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<v speaker_0>the back of my

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<v speaker_0>mind to respect

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<v speaker_0>myself, respect my body,

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<v speaker_0>respect others, you

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<v speaker_0>know, to respect everyone

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<v speaker_0>in the room,

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<v speaker_0>regardless of where you

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<v speaker_0>come from, what

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<v speaker_0>you look like, and

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<v speaker_0>how much money

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<v speaker_0>is in your account.

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<v speaker_0>I-- That's never

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<v speaker_0>been important to me.

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<v speaker_0>So...

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<v speaker_1>Can you recall an

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<v speaker_1>instance over the

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<v speaker_1>years where you've been

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<v speaker_1>aware of, uh,

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<v speaker_1>people who did do

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<v speaker_1>survival work and

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<v speaker_1>then maybe didn't survive

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<v speaker_1>as a result

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<v speaker_1>of that?

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<v speaker_0>Most definitely. And the

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<v speaker_0>sad thing is

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<v speaker_0>that because they were

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<v speaker_0>doing it, you

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<v speaker_0>know, I would hear

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<v speaker_0>about or have

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<v speaker_0>friends that were murdered

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<v speaker_0>in hotel rooms

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<v speaker_0>and that... I mean,

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<v speaker_0>these people were

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<v speaker_0>never prosecuted because they

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<v speaker_0>were like, "Well,

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<v speaker_0>you know, you don't

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<v speaker_0>know who they

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<v speaker_0>are. You know, you

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<v speaker_0>invited a stranger

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<v speaker_0>over. It's just as

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<v speaker_0>much your fault

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<v speaker_0>as it is theirs."

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<v speaker_0>And

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<v speaker_0>that just really kind

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<v speaker_0>of scared me

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<v speaker_0>straight, you know, to

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<v speaker_0>see that because

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<v speaker_0>w- there was no

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<v speaker_0>support. You know,

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<v speaker_0>if you got-- Basically,

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<v speaker_0>if you got

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<v speaker_0>hurt or killed, it

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<v speaker_0>was your fault

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<v speaker_0>because you were initiating

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<v speaker_0>it. You invited

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<v speaker_0>these people over. You

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<v speaker_0>received money from

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<v speaker_0>them. So it was

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<v speaker_0>almost like you

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<v speaker_0>deserved it, and I

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<v speaker_0>just, I never

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<v speaker_0>understood that. So I

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<v speaker_0>always protected my

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<v speaker_0>peace in that aspect,

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<v speaker_0>that I never

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<v speaker_0>put myself in that

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<v speaker_0>position. It just

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<v speaker_0>never seemed fair or,

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<v speaker_0>uh, safe. So

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<v speaker_0>l- I never was--

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<v speaker_0>experienced that, but

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<v speaker_0>I do know that

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<v speaker_0>a lot of

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<v speaker_0>my friends, you know,

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<v speaker_0>were either hurt,

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<v speaker_0>uh, stabbed, murdered.

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<v speaker_0>It was pretty

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<v speaker_0>sad, you know, and

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<v speaker_0>just dismissed like

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<v speaker_0>nothing. No cases, no

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<v speaker_0>investigations, no nothing.

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<v speaker_1>Yeah. And I know

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<v speaker_1>right now as

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<v speaker_1>well, like even Shia

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<v speaker_1>LaBeouf just recently

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<v speaker_1>used the gay panic

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<v speaker_1>defense-

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<v speaker_0>Yes

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<v speaker_1>... as you guys

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<v speaker_1>hit on him,

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<v speaker_1>you got into a

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<v speaker_1>fight and assaulted

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<v speaker_1>them and all that

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<v speaker_1>sort of stuff.

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<v speaker_1>Um, but kind of

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<v speaker_1>thinking with that

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<v speaker_1>framing in mind is-Do

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<v speaker_1>you feel it's

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<v speaker_1>changed at all? Do

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<v speaker_1>you think that

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<v speaker_1>for those-- 'cause I've

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<v speaker_1>still been aware

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<v speaker_1>and heard of people

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<v speaker_1>recently who are

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<v speaker_1>trans that are still

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<v speaker_1>doing survival work.

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<v speaker_0>Mm-hmm.

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<v speaker_1>Um, especially a younger

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<v speaker_1>generation now that,

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<v speaker_1>that is, um, unhoused.

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<v speaker_1>

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<v speaker_0>Yeah.

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<v speaker_1>And-

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<v speaker_0>And, and survival work

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<v speaker_0>is work. You

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<v speaker_0>know, at the end

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<v speaker_0>of the day,

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<v speaker_0>you know, you treat

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<v speaker_0>it like work.

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<v speaker_0>Um, I think that

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<v speaker_0>it-- technology has

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<v speaker_0>made it easier to

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<v speaker_0>do that without

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<v speaker_0>you have to physically

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<v speaker_0>put yourself out

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<v speaker_0>there. I mean, I

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<v speaker_0>mean, of course,

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<v speaker_0>I can't speak for

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<v speaker_0>everyone, but I

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<v speaker_0>do know that it

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<v speaker_0>has gotten a

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<v speaker_0>lot safer because now

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<v speaker_0>you can, you

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<v speaker_0>know, pretty much know

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<v speaker_0>who you're meeting

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<v speaker_0>or even if you're

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<v speaker_0>not meeting them,

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<v speaker_0>it could just be

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<v speaker_0>something that we

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<v speaker_0>do, you know, via

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<v speaker_0>Zoom, via, you

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<v speaker_0>know, a, a telephone

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<v speaker_0>call or what

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<v speaker_0>have you. Um, and

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<v speaker_0>I think it's

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<v speaker_0>safer for everybody, and

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<v speaker_0>I think that

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<v speaker_0>even the, uh, on

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<v speaker_0>the other side,

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<v speaker_0>I think that the

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<v speaker_0>people that are

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<v speaker_0>seeking these survival workers

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<v speaker_0>are, are trying

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<v speaker_0>to be more cautious

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<v speaker_0>as well. You

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<v speaker_0>know, it isn't so

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<v speaker_0>much about,

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<v speaker_0>you know, the human

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<v speaker_0>interaction of it

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<v speaker_0>as much as it

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<v speaker_0>is the being

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<v speaker_0>able to like get

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<v speaker_0>to see somebody

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<v speaker_0>without having to put

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<v speaker_0>yourself in jeopardy,

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<v speaker_0>you know, without running

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<v speaker_0>the risk of

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<v speaker_0>an STD or, or

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<v speaker_0>actually doing anything,

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<v speaker_0>you know. I mean,

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<v speaker_0>not for everyone,

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<v speaker_0>but that is my

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<v speaker_0>take on it

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<v speaker_0>now from speaking to

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<v speaker_0>the younger girls

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<v speaker_0>that that is the

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<v speaker_0>outlet they're taking

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<v speaker_0>without, you know, with

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<v speaker_0>like OnlyFans or,

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<v speaker_0>or things of that

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<v speaker_0>nature that are

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<v speaker_0>legit and it's a

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<v speaker_0>job. You know,

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<v speaker_0>they pay taxes on

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<v speaker_0>it and nobody

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<v speaker_0>gets hurt.

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<v speaker_1>Is there anything that

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<v speaker_1>y'all would want

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<v speaker_1>to touch on with

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<v speaker_1>the topic?

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<v speaker_2>I have something in

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<v speaker_2>my head.

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<v speaker_2>I guess like what

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<v speaker_2>advice would you

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<v speaker_2>give somebody who is

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<v speaker_2>just--

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<v speaker_2>instead of like, like

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<v speaker_2>that's like their

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<v speaker_2>only option is survival

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<v speaker_2>work. Like, do

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<v speaker_2>you have any advice

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<v speaker_2>that you would

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<v speaker_2>give them as

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<v speaker_2>to like how to

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<v speaker_2>traverse it in

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<v speaker_2>a way?

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<v speaker_0>Well, I would tell

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<v speaker_0>them that it

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<v speaker_0>does get better, you

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<v speaker_0>know, but you

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<v speaker_0>have to invest your

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<v speaker_0>money into yourself,

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<v speaker_0>into your brand. You

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<v speaker_0>know, if you

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<v speaker_0>don't wanna go to

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<v speaker_0>a four-year school,

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<v speaker_0>then get a vocational

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<v speaker_0>trade, you know.

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<v speaker_0>Or if you don't

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<v speaker_0>want to do

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<v speaker_0>that, get in the

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<v speaker_0>entertainment business. Do

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<v speaker_0>something that you love.

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<v speaker_0>My grandmother always

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<v speaker_0>told me, "If you,

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<v speaker_0>if you, if

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<v speaker_0>you do what you

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<v speaker_0>love, you don't

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<v speaker_0>work a day in

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<v speaker_0>your life." And

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<v speaker_0>that's why I think

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<v speaker_0>I've been successful

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<v speaker_0>in entertaining because it's

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<v speaker_0>what I love.

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<v speaker_0>It's second nature to

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<v speaker_0>me, you know.

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<v speaker_0>Sometimes I'll work four

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<v speaker_0>times in one

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<v speaker_0>weekend, you know. I

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<v speaker_0>don't-- On Monday

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<v speaker_0>I'm dying, but you

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<v speaker_0>know, I'm like,

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<v speaker_0>"Wow, I'm lucky." You

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<v speaker_0>know what I

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<v speaker_0>mean? I get to

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<v speaker_0>go to these

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<v speaker_0>little towns or to

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<v speaker_0>these, um... For

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<v speaker_0>example, the young lady

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<v speaker_0>that was at

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<v speaker_0>my brunch over the

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<v speaker_0>weekend, um, I

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<v speaker_0>did her bridal shower,

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<v speaker_0>her baby shower,

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<v speaker_0>and then she brought

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<v speaker_0>her baby, so

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<v speaker_0>I'm like, "Oh my

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<v speaker_0>God." I'm like,

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<v speaker_0>you know, I'm literally

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<v speaker_0>in this woman's

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<v speaker_0>life and now I

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<v speaker_0>have met her

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<v speaker_0>child and, you know.

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<v speaker_0>I think that

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<v speaker_0>if you acquire a

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<v speaker_0>friendship and it

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<v speaker_0>isn't so much about

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<v speaker_0>business, you really

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<v speaker_0>don't work a day

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<v speaker_0>in your life.

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<v speaker_0>So do what you

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<v speaker_0>like, and if

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<v speaker_0>you are doing survival

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<v speaker_0>work, invest your

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<v speaker_0>money into something that

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<v speaker_0>can be better

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<v speaker_0>for you, whatever that

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<v speaker_0>may be. I,

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<v speaker_0>I don't know what

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<v speaker_0>is in right

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<v speaker_0>now because I know

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<v speaker_0>that you can

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<v speaker_0>go to a university

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<v speaker_0>for four years,

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<v speaker_0>but then you just

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<v speaker_0>leave with an

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<v speaker_0>eighty thousand dollar debt

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<v speaker_0>and don't know

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<v speaker_0>what to do. So

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<v speaker_0>I say if

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<v speaker_0>something makes you happy,

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<v speaker_0>try a vocational

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<v speaker_0>trade that you can

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<v speaker_0>always fall back

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<v speaker_0>on. You know, cutting

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<v speaker_0>hair, massage therapy,

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<v speaker_0>uh, anything.

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<v speaker_0>Esthetician, anything that

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<v speaker_0>you wanna do. I'm

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<v speaker_0>very lucky that

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<v speaker_0>both my employers, um,

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<v speaker_0>I work as

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<v speaker_0>a home health provider

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<v speaker_0>in the mornings,

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<v speaker_0>and then I work

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<v speaker_0>at a spa,

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<v speaker_0>and both of them

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<v speaker_0>are LGBT, so

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<v speaker_0>I don't run

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<v speaker_0>the risk of, you

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<v speaker_0>know, getting fired

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<v speaker_0>or being outed. You

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<v speaker_0>know, these people

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<v speaker_0>know who I am,

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<v speaker_0>what I stand

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<v speaker_0>for, and they support

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<v speaker_0>me one hundred

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<v speaker_0>percent. Surround yourself with

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<v speaker_0>people that are

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<v speaker_0>gonna support you. Yes,

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<v speaker_0>sir.

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<v speaker_3>Yes. Um, going piggybacking

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<v speaker_3>off of that,

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<v speaker_3>how do you navigate

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<v speaker_3>individuals who don't

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<v speaker_3>see, um, that work

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<v speaker_3>as legit or

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<v speaker_3>prejudiced against that work?

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<v speaker_3>How are you

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<v speaker_3>able to advocate for

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<v speaker_3>the community and

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<v speaker_3>say, "This person, this

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<v speaker_3>is their option,

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<v speaker_3>and this is what

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<v speaker_3>they're going to

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<v speaker_3>have to take," or

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<v speaker_3>what I had

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<v speaker_3>to do, and what

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<v speaker_3>are your ways

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<v speaker_3>of combating that prejudice?

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<v speaker_3>

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<v speaker_0>Well, I think that

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<v speaker_0>it's very easy

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<v speaker_0>for someone to look

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<v speaker_0>at it negatively

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<v speaker_0>or have an opinion

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<v speaker_0>because it's not

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<v speaker_0>their reality. You know,

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<v speaker_0>like I said,

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<v speaker_0>a lot of these

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<v speaker_0>individuals get kicked

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<v speaker_0>out of their homes

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<v speaker_0>or they get,

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<v speaker_0>you know, kicked out

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<v speaker_0>of their jobs.

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<v speaker_0>So what are you

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<v speaker_0>going to do

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<v speaker_0>if you're hungry and

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<v speaker_0>you're alone? You're

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<v speaker_0>gonna do whatever it

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<v speaker_0>takes to eat,

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<v speaker_0>you know. And the

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<v speaker_0>last thing you

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<v speaker_0>wanna do as a

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<v speaker_0>Catholic individual is

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<v speaker_0>go and steal or

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<v speaker_0>hurt somebody, you

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<v speaker_0>know. And so you

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<v speaker_0>find ways to

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<v speaker_0>make money. And survival

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<v speaker_0>work can like,

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<v speaker_0>like I said, can

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<v speaker_0>be anything from

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<v speaker_0>videotaping yourself, uh,

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<v speaker_0>you know, for,

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<v speaker_0>uh, Zoom calls. It

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<v speaker_0>could be anything.

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<v speaker_0>It doesn't necessarily have

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<v speaker_0>to be the

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<v speaker_0>bad out there walking,

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<v speaker_0>but for some

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<v speaker_0>people it is. And

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<v speaker_0>if-- I mean,

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<v speaker_0>and like I said,

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<v speaker_0>whatever you

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<v speaker_0>make from this,

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<v speaker_0>invest in yourself, invest

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<v speaker_0>in the betterment

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<v speaker_0>of yourself so you

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<v speaker_0>don't stay

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<v speaker_0>stuck. It's very important

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<v speaker_0>to get yourself

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<v speaker_0>out of that situation.

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<v speaker_0>It should be

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<v speaker_0>temporary. It should not

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<v speaker_0>be forever.

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<v speaker_1>Given that a lot

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<v speaker_1>of the circumstances

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<v speaker_1>are driven by discrimination

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<v speaker_1>and prejudice, and

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<v speaker_1>it's really creating an

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<v speaker_1>environment where that's

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<v speaker_1>only the resort that

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<v speaker_1>a person can

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<v speaker_1>take, um, what can

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<v speaker_1>we as a

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<v speaker_1>community, not just LGBT,

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<v speaker_1>but what can

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<v speaker_1>we as a community

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<v speaker_1>do to create

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<v speaker_1>a better world?

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<v speaker_0>I think that if

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<v speaker_0>you're in the

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<v speaker_0>position to hire people,

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<v speaker_0>I say do

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<v speaker_0>that. I think if

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<v speaker_0>you're in the

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<v speaker_0>position to support people

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<v speaker_0>like small businesses

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<v speaker_0>or people that are

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<v speaker_0>just trying to

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<v speaker_0>make a difference, support

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<v speaker_0>them, because it-

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<v speaker_0>they're gonna in turn

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<v speaker_0>support other people

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<v speaker_0>that are struggling, and

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<v speaker_0>then it's gonna

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<v speaker_0>be a chain reaction.

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<v speaker_0>But I don't

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<v speaker_0>think that now... I

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<v speaker_0>don't, I don't

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<v speaker_0>know for a fact,

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<v speaker_0>I don't know

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<v speaker_0>the statistics, but I

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<v speaker_0>think it was

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<v speaker_0>a lot worse in

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<v speaker_0>the '90s than

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<v speaker_0>it is now. Because

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<v speaker_0>now it's easier

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<v speaker_0>to make friendships, it's

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<v speaker_0>easier to, you

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<v speaker_0>know, get online and

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<v speaker_0>ask for help.

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<v speaker_0>Back then, we weren't

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<v speaker_0>able to ask

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<v speaker_0>for help. You know,

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<v speaker_0>you kind of

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<v speaker_0>were out there on

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<v speaker_0>your own with

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<v speaker_0>no playbook, no guides,

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<v speaker_0>no nothing, and

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<v speaker_0>back in the day,

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<v speaker_0>no one was

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<v speaker_0>helpful. You know, everybody

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<v speaker_0>was like, "Well,

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<v speaker_0>that's your problem. You

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<v speaker_0>deal with it."

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<v speaker_0>You know? So it

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<v speaker_0>was difficult. But,

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<v speaker_0>uh, I think that

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<v speaker_0>it's, it's

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<v speaker_0>a little easier to

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<v speaker_0>navigate through life

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<v speaker_0>now because there are

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<v speaker_0>resources, there are

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<v speaker_0>people, there are... You

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<v speaker_0>can get on

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<v speaker_0>your camera o- on

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<v speaker_0>your cell phone

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<v speaker_0>or anything and ask

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<v speaker_0>for help, and

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<v speaker_0>nine times out of

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<v speaker_0>10 somebody will

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<v speaker_0>help you with some

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<v speaker_0>type of resource.

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<v speaker_0>You know, back, you

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<v speaker_0>know, when I

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<v speaker_0>was out there, there

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<v speaker_0>was nothing, you

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<v speaker_0>know, other than a

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<v speaker_0>hope and a

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<v speaker_0>prayer, you know, and

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<v speaker_0>hope that you

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<v speaker_0>would see the light

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<v speaker_0>of day, you

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<v speaker_0>know, 'cause... And, and

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<v speaker_0>even then you

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<v speaker_0>had to... And also

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<v speaker_0>it was very

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<v speaker_0>competitive. If you wanted

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<v speaker_0>to be a

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<v speaker_0>trans woman, it was

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<v speaker_0>like a badge

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<v speaker_0>of honor. You had

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<v speaker_0>to, like, get

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<v speaker_0>the body modifications, get

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<v speaker_0>the implants, get...

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<v speaker_0>Like, you had to

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<v speaker_0>look a certain

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<v speaker_0>way. You couldn't just

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<v speaker_0>say you were

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<v speaker_0>trans. You had to

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<v speaker_0>prove you were

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<v speaker_0>trans. Does that make

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<v speaker_0>sense? Like, literally,

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<v speaker_0>if you didn't look

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<v speaker_0>a certain way,

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<v speaker_0>you weren't given that

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<v speaker_0>title. So you

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<v speaker_0>were constantly having to

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<v speaker_0>change everything about

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<v speaker_0>you. You know, and

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<v speaker_0>it's, you know,

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<v speaker_0>I, I really

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<v speaker_0>don't like that. Now

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<v speaker_0>I'm sitting here

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<v speaker_0>very over-animated when I

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<v speaker_0>could have been

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<v speaker_0>accepted for just exactly

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<v speaker_0>how I was,

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<v speaker_0>and that's what I

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<v speaker_0>love about today,

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<v speaker_0>is that now you're

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<v speaker_0>accepted for who

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<v speaker_0>you are. You don't

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<v speaker_0>need to have

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<v speaker_0>a button nose. You

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<v speaker_0>don't need to

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<v speaker_0>have big lips. You

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<v speaker_0>don't need to

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<v speaker_0>be perfect. You can

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<v speaker_0>just be yourself,

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<v speaker_0>and you're okay, and

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<v speaker_0>you're part of

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<v speaker_0>the umbrella term, and

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<v speaker_0>you're accepted in

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<v speaker_0>our community. You know,

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<v speaker_0>it wasn't like

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<v speaker_0>that before. You had

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<v speaker_0>to literally have

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<v speaker_0>to work your way

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<v speaker_0>up, and it

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<v speaker_0>was something you earned.

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<v speaker_0>So it was

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<v speaker_0>very different, very competitive,

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<v speaker_0>and you had

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<v speaker_0>to, like I said,

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<v speaker_0>you had to

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<v speaker_0>set a standard, and

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<v speaker_0>if you didn't

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<v speaker_0>meet that standard, oh,

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<v speaker_0>you were not

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<v speaker_0>trans, or you were

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<v speaker_0>not trans enough.

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<v speaker_0>And, um, I remember

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<v speaker_0>constantly having to

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<v speaker_0>work to just maintain,

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<v speaker_0>you know, the,

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<v speaker_0>the stereotype of trans.

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<v speaker_0>

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<v speaker_1>That sounds exhausting.

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<v speaker_0>It was very exhausting.

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<v speaker_0>Very exhausting.

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<v speaker_0>[sighs] [laughs]

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<v speaker_1>I think that's a

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<v speaker_1>pretty good start.

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<v speaker_1>Um, I, I think

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<v speaker_1>it would be

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<v speaker_1>great to be able

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<v speaker_1>to-